Batman gets as much prep time as he wants. Jmarshmallow. God Emperor Doom has no feats that matter at this level, Pre-retcon Beyonder turns him into a toilet. It's stated so multiple times throughout the comics. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. Fighting place: Dr. Prime Brock Lesnar, Prime Mike Tyson, A Neanderthal Male,Prime Andre the Giant, A. Beyonder Pré-Retcon foi uma das Entidades mais poderosas da #Marvel, ficando até mesmo acima do Tribunal Vivo, ele é bem conhecido por ter criado a Saga Guer. As I said I'm not intimately familiar with pre retcon beyonder or even marvel comics overall. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. And post retcon… well Peter Parker had his power for one billionth of a second a rewrote all of reality. The original Beyonder was a failed Cosmic Cube, the second one was a failed Cosmic Power, and the third one was a failed Cosmic Force. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Ruphas have Higher dimensional manip. I will need to have cited evidence for. Beyonder erases him from existence. Learn the difference between the original, toned-down, and evolved versions of the Beyonder, a cosmic entity that can create and destroy reality, in Marvel Comics. 13 years. Jackalinthebox said: I thought pre-retcon Beyonder was closer in power to Lucifer & Michael, rather than the Presence. . British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. Thanos wins this. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. The Beyonder and the Molecule Man, also known as Owen Reece, have a complex and tumultuous relationship. So logically the Beyonder at full power can defeat Galactus at full power. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. Win by death, KO, incapIf we argue that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is not in his initial state in this match-up, then he might actually get defeated by the Scarlet King. The beyonder has way better feats. The recent additions of the Heart of the Universe as an accepted Canon Thing, and the Pre-Retcon Beyonder's revisions were the first results of such result. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. #1 Thanatic. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. I really can't be asked to go. Beyonder 39%. If he can beat beyonder, he wins 10/10 because he would know the correct path in every timeline, which he exists in, because he is omnipresent. Additional powers include teleportation, flight, the ability to choose his own physical resistances and attributes. OPM can't even defeat Post-retcon Beyonder, let alone Pre-retcon. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. Forum Posts. 4 years ago. Been done here on the vine. Clearly neither is the GEB - but in the sense prior to the retcons he was a character whose will defined reality around him and he was infinitely more powerful than anyone else on. 0. BEYONDERS In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. The difference between that portrayal and what Pre-Crisis Superman was capable of is most likely over a dozen orders of magnitude greater than the one between an amoeba and Pre-Crisis Superman. COIE Monitors cited as. Morals off. ago. Manhattan's league. 0. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. Not only that he struggled heavily against madrakk and trust me Beyounder is infinty stronger than Mandrakk. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. While thinking the Beyonder accidentally destroys the Omniverse. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was. so the 1st retcon beyonder. Goku vs Pre Recton Beyonder. There are more multiverses in existence than stars in the sky. Location: Above Earth. (Like many of these fights) Universal Steve. First is the. "No other force or power in existence could. . who universe. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Pralaya. MM is not as strong as Beyonder but he's above Living Tribunal, abstracts, IG and other such levels of cosmic power. Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. Spectre. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left. Pre Retcon Beyonder. Now I made a lengthy blog detailing the powers of the Beyonder, Post-Retcon. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . #38 JayBlack. 4 years ago. But Lucifer. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. Aetherius is a larger infinity than Oblivio and encompasses its entirety, existing as a static realm of pure Anuic Light where all things exist in pure, timeless harmony. CsmicRanker1314 1. Because PR Beyonder mentioned how he wants her to return what’s rightfully his, which one of things I’m assuming that could be is a portion of his power he lent or something like that. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. WF Mxy vs Pre Retcon Beyonder is basically picking which company you like more : DC or Marvel. Michael Demiurgos >> Pre-Retcon Beyonder >>>>> Battler. All indications are that. Now just imagine 10,000 of them vs 10,000 Celestials. After that he was retconned to a far less powerful cosmic cube. Join this channel to get access to perks:…The Beyonder was an impossibly powerful being who held the Secret Wars, essentially kidnapping a whole bunch of heroes and villains and making them fight for his. ago. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Beyonder was everything outisde the Multi-verse. " Uhhh, yes it does. remember wanda during HOM rewrote/destroyed 98 percent of the multiverse. Wiki Points. #28 ovy7. Ima go with byonder. Wiki Points. Beyonder Spider-Man vs Naruto, MHA, Bleach, One Piece, Magi, Umineko, Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya verses. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. There is literally nothing that OPM could do to even affect him. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, represented by Amendment50 Elder God Demonbane, represented by God_Vulcan PLEASE VOTE FOR WHOEVER YOU THINK DEBATED THE BEST, NOT WHICH CHARACTER. The beyonder is a person from another plane of existence called the beyond which is larger than the marvel multiverse. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. First, that was a bad parody of Aquiles. The Beyonder at his full power pre-retcon is omnipotent. No one. Beyonder was a formless mindless white space above the Multiverse, made purely. Also the Doomslayer has way more fighting and combat feats. R2 - 5 members of the Beyonders race (incursion) face the 5 members of the Omega Council. Even if we insanely highball Spectre to be equal to the Living Tribunal (which, as powerful as he is, he clearly is. O. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. @Ziro: Pre-Retcon Beyonder got his powers taken away by Dr. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. Wiki Points. If not, Team 2 with some trouble, since PRB<HOTU. The Beyonder, a young member of an ancient race known as the Beyonders, was made aware of the Marvel Universe due to an 'accident' orchestrated by the other Beyonders involving Owen Reece. Learn the difference between the original, toned-down, and evolved versions of the Beyonder, a cosmic entity that can create and. A Time Lords) from the. He wins. 2. Since the Chaos Gods have no way to kill him, he'll eventually win. GEB=Anti Pressence. -Everyone full powers. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. The Tree of Knowledge alone contains infinite multiverses and aleph infinities and The Scarlet King could effortlessly destroy it. Interesting. [deleted] • 8 yr. Shinra destroys their narrative 68%. Cosmic armor supes needs a downgrade soon. Then the pre retcon beyonder attacks himself. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but. Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. VS. Additional comment actions. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes. Whereas Spawn is equal to Spectre in terms of. FollowRound 5: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man vs God Emperor Doom Round 6:Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God Emperor Doom Bonus Round: Protege vs God Emperor Doom This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A GregLeagueGamingAlt •. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. Beyonder can destroy the concept of death to the point that above Infinite-D beings like Molecule Man couldn't kill a freaking flower and can restore it while being power depleted with just a. (616)Spider-Man with the powers of the beyonder vs these verses. Current version of the Beyonder (sentient cosmic cube, NOT the. Beyonder 39%. He toke on beyonder and was stated to be LT's superior MM did say that he had become a component of great power, but not quite up. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. Beyonder preretcon upgrade. HOM wanda. )Pre-Retcon Beyonder is too much for John Constantine to handle. Do a list of spells, after pre retcon beyonder turns around. I never understood why people tried to mesh post-retcon feats with the pre-retcon continuity, what was written after the retcon was never canon to the Beyonder arc. PRE-RETCON BEYONDER? All of them are BLOODLUSTED! TOAA is the special referee! DB universe characters start at their maximum power and are already at their most powerful form! 14 years ago. Thanos wins them all unless its Thanos vs OAA. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. But i think they have more "battle feats" (killed LT, killed millions/billions/or much more than that, of celestials (since they killed all of then from all multiverse). Beyonder with no sweat. The Beyonder “realizes” something. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. Follow 2882. R2: God stomps. Victory conditions: for the beyonder it is to destroy the entire race of time lords, for the time lords it is killing or making the beyonder surrender. 3 years ago. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man should also stomp IG Thanos. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). He's was designed by Jim Shooter to be a catch-all explanation for the existence of all the other fiction. 1. If PR Beyonder is superior to TOAA then God Emperor. Lucifer and Micheal are on the Tribunal's level at best. Pre-Retcon Beyonder: Most powerful version of Beyonder, stronger then the Living Tribunal but weaker then T. The Beyonder was surprised by Mephisto. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Its not like the writer of marvel has dominon only over character. Beyonder won't evenn make any difference more than the ant. He is. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. That was the whole point of "Secret Wars II. Round 4: All-Mighty vs The three of them. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. thtadthtshldntb Anti nBSG Troll. Death from what I remember had no power of Lucifer, only Destiny did - so I think it's safe to assume she scales below him. 3. Motivation: ROB Fight in ROBverse. 1 year ago. Battle for the title of 2nd strongest Marvel Character. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. However, Post-Retcon is going down, hard. Beyonder's best feat is defeating a multiverse level entity, the Living Tribunal, which was a big deal. the retcon. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins fairly convincingly. 2. Forum Posts. 11,582. ago. You are confusing full power with pre retcon. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. In The Complete Secret Wars #3, Pre-Retcon Beyonder opined that Stephan Strange is stronger than any in the multiverse suspect and had the opportunity to seal him in a pocket dimension ridding the multiverse of him forever. 4 years ago #3. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. It's Shown Here that both beyonder and GoS Loki have Immersion, from traveling between stories/realities from the first scan, second scan show Fictional Interaction,. the_doctor. #capcut #short #shorts #shortvideo #edit #versusbattle #beyonder #hajunPre-retcon Beyonder is crazy powerful, powerful enough to stomp the LT, but infinitely weak compared to TOAA. Yglorba • 3 yr. Lucifer is a different beast. Pre retcon Beyonder seems omnipotent inside the marvel multiverse because its like comparing a dinosaur to a bunch of ants. Definitely Beyonder. Some overkill ones would be The Brothers Death (apart from maybe small death), Scarlet King, etc. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube (Because part of the power was in Owen Reece) Recent Retcon Beyonder < the marvel abstracts but not by much. Goku is low outer at best and byonder is easily outerversal. Beyonder's best feats consist of warping reality on a Multiversal scale in his fight with MM, and being millions of times stronger than anyone in the marvel multiverse, but that's only impressive up to a certain point before it becomes. Follow 1963. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own magnetic. Who wins this? r/whowouldwin •. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. He has no concept of death he's toyed with the entire celestials even living tribunal was wetting himself. 0. Adptive armor isnt doing a thing for him here just as much as it helped against. 1 year ago. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. Beyonder on the other hand, pre retcon at least, is a million times more powerful than the entire of Marvel combined. deactivated-5ffd6af867550. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. He represented everything outside the Marvel Universe, while TOAA represents MU. But Lucifer should win this quite handily. 5 years ago. 3. Fight takes place in an infinite dimension. Jack Kirby never wanted the Tribunal to ever be even threatened and the ultimate authority for a long time as long as he was in the company, so LT being beaten was seen as an insult by some comic fans. Destroyah said: Doesn't really change the fact that PR Beyonder was as close you could get to being omnipotent then just being. The beyonder is under him. #1 Nicholas_Jones. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. FIRST COSMOS. Because there is no "pre-retcon" Beyonder in Marvel canon -- that is nothing more than a made-up battleboard term. R2: God stomps. • 1 year ago. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. Pre Retcon Beyonder was the original TOAA before today's TOAA was established. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The All-Mighty (SCP) vs TOAA, Pre-Retcon Beyonder, and Oblivion (Marvel) All of them at their strongest. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is far. They both basically live outside of the multiverses that they are part of. 0. The entire Watcher. Let me remind you that SCP verse is much bigger than both Marvel and DC. The same way how Marvel was back then a multiverse. He's about cause and effect and. Dreamxd26. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. Beyonder, when first created, could defeat Galactus, because he was. For now pre retcon beyonder has the advantage imo. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. #. 14 years ago. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. Beyonder is marvel. . Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful than the Living Tribunal. Pre Retcon Beyonder Stomps, the only powers that could hope to challenge him are The One Above, the Ultimate Source, The Presence, The Living Tribunal. -Everything in bleach. 2. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. The Two fight in the beyond realm. New comments cannot be posted. Lucifer obviously wins, the guy literally has half of God's omnipotence. @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. A being who is millions of times stronger than the marvel Multiverse vs a being for whom the marvel. . Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Oblivion. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. Originally posted by Endless Mike Not as powerful as Squirrel Girl Isn't SG like tied with TOAA in power or something? She stomps all of fiction at the same time, and does it repeatedly over and over again. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. The Beyonders who are attacking the multiverse are beings that live in the beyond, which most likely is either outside the multiverse, or be void between universes. Dream of the Endless unable to stop Barbatos, who like Mxyzptlk, will steamroll Beyonder and Molecule Man without even trying. But it doesn't end there. Mismatch. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Galactus is fodder here. He. With 1 year of prep Doom could probably bridge the gap. So there are 2 feats for HoTU that need to get debunked. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Oblivion. destinyman75. but the other writers ruined and screwed up these characters. #1 quandaledingle. Locked post. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. Lucifer is a different beast. #36. 17 Ginriu. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Vs. It’s Lucifer vs PR Beyonder basically. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. Neutral. Period. 2. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. 4 years ago. Idk its hard to say because the beyonders who destroyed eternity infinity and all the cosmic entities, it took time for them to do that but the Marquis of Death waved his hand and they all died. . The Beyonder asks Molecule Man a question and doesn’t know if he can sacrifice Dave. PR Beyonder curbstomps. 1. No, he is likely Presence level. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. 0. Post-retcon Beyonder loses hands-down. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. No prep and no knowledge. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. I realize that this doesn't exactly answer your question. Pages with a quote from this character will automatically be added here along with the quote. Round 2: All-Mighty vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. The closest you get I think is Guenpool and she just has basic fourth wall. The value of your argument reached the negatives the moment you put fodder Beyonder above anyone here. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D. Conditions of the battle: *Composite Time Lords will include variants of the Time Lords from the Expanded Doctor Who Universe (e. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is ery powerful, but not powerful enough to beat the one above all. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s. Second, Beyonder would stop Mxy from going out of the comic, trapping him in the Beyond-Realm (himself). Both are Omnipotent Supreme Beings but PRB was God to something larger than. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Lucifer is not omnipotent. . Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Team 2 = Fusion mode. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. Yeah Mxy is tough as shit, and probably wont go down. If that's the case, Team 2 stomps. Divine mystical enhancements granting near omnipotent abilities. Round 1: CAS vs. The Soruce(DC) 5. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. pre retcon beyonder: can destroy an infinite-d multiverse and exists independently of it. Rick Sanchez Vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder, The One Above All, The Presence, Azathoth, Doctor Manhattan, The Scarlet King, Sun Wukong, and Homelander Battle Round 1: No prep Round 2: Rick knows about everyone and gets a month of prep. He also sits just below the prime meta-versal being in his respective property. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. This has to be a joke wtf. Beyonder still probably loses to Thought Robot Superman, Final Batsuit Batman, Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman, Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos, Perpetua, the Darkest Knight, true form Darkseid,. HD wallpapers and background images. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. User Lists: 20 Perpetua, due to far surperior feats. At the time this storyline was written Beyonder Spider-Man would stomp. He was the TOAA of own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse before he came across the. Round 9: Lord English (Anyone who served him and who were amped by him count) Respect Thread for him and a bit for his Servants. PR Beyonder tanked a blast that would of shattered billions of dimensions and he was bullying PR MM who repaired the multiverse with a gesture. . " Yep this is a pretty easy win for Frank 14 years ago. [deleted] • 8 yr. The beyonder can warp reality and time as well as creating a real life setting. #8. Beyonder stomp beyond comprehension. So, it is the power of pre-retcon Beyonder. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse. We can actually prove that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is fodder to Composite-DC. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wrecks. deactivated-5b3daad020468. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. Doom, when has anything even close to that happened to the Tribunal? My point is Marvel states he is the one thing/person/entity that. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity.